On the 4th of August my Pro account on Flickr will expire.

I have decided not to renew it, but rather revert to a free account to keep in touch with friends and participate in a couple of groups.

What this means though is that most of my photographs in my stream will no longer be visible on flickr. To that end, I've put up the entire stream on my personal gallery here:

Unfortunately some are out of order, and all the comments have not come across, however the photographs themselves are there.

I will continue to post here, but also replicate those posts in the gallery above.

I'm also posting what I consider to be the really good shots over at ipernity:

Why am I not renewing ? Well quite frankly I can't in all conscience, give my money to Yahoo! whose track record on human rights abuses is quite dismal. People have gone to jail as a direct result of the actions of Yahoo! and I'll not be a financial accessory to that.

View all photos taken: Monday, 30th July 2007, This photo: 9:46pm


  • Margot- said:
    Huhuhu! (T.T)
  • ~Prescott said:
    very noble. I'm too addicted I don't think I could do likewise.
    Will make a note to check your blog from time to time.
  • leadegroot said:
    You mean its not just so that I don't have to spend my paypal money on you again this year?
    Perhaps I am too self centred... ;)

    (12 months ago Dave said he thought it would be worthwhile paying for a Pro account on Flickr. Since then he and I have either met or 'met' all you nice people. Thank you for being here :))
  • picsbymac said:
    I am with you David - going free as of Aug 22.

    I'm glad to have 'met' you and Lea here and am glad you're already @ ipernity : )
  • David de Groot said:

    I'll still post stuff here, it's just that after a while images will drop over the 200 image boundary and thus out of sight.


    Oh you say that now Mel, but just you wait until we rock up on your doorstep, horde of children in tow, and ask to camp in your living room for a few days ;-) (like we could afford that!)
  • The Central Scrutiniser said:
    it's true mel - he really does do that!


    one can still meet people on flickr using a free account. i have many contacts who are using free accounts. i have one contact who has multiple free accounts all linked on heir profile pages to get around the 200 post limit.

    i am not renewing either. i've had my doubts about flickr ever since yahoo took over. the recent events were the last straw.

    besides - i like ipernity better.
  • maasha said:
    Yeah! Boycot Google too! Them bastards censors the Chinese!

    There is prolly some open source search engine out there you can use instead ...
  • David de Groot said:
    Ah but boycotting is different to financial sanctions, which is what I'm partaking in. I'll still use flickr as I've invested too much time and effort into it and there's a heap of people I'd like to stay in touch with, but I shan't pay Yahoo! any more of my money.
  • leadegroot said:
    So, walking with your wallet, rather than your feet? ;)

    You're also avoiding using paypal to pay them - I don't think there are other options for us non-US?
    Who owns Paypal? Oh, thats right...
  • julesangel (Away with the Pixies atm) said:
    Not sure what to say .....but hope to see you around still ! :)

    I kinda know what you are saying, but i have 'personally' witnessed and known too many good and kind hearted people on flickr in my 2 years also..
    so it's not all bad stories either on flickr ....

    it is a damn shame tho what you are saying still, if stuff like that is happening because of yahoo :(

    I nearly didn't renew either recently but because flickr wasn't working for me often, i think that may have been when they merged with yahoo grrr but all appears 'ok' atm...
    Seen on your photo stream. (?)
  • David de Groot said:
    Yeah providing I don't have issues uploading on a free account I'll be just as prolific on here as ever. Admittedly, that might mean uploading slightly smaller images, but probably not noticeably so (as I don't tend to upload full size photos anyway).

    Yahoo has a very bad track record for caving into demands of censoring governments (esp. China), and moreover of supplying information that leads to the arrest and imprisonment of people trying to express themselves and their feelings (quite often anti-government).

    Sure Google (as pointed out by Martin earlier) also has performed similar transgressions, but I don't pay them my money either.

    The people on flickr are great, it's the policies of Yahoo I take issue with.
  • traceyisanozzy said:
    You better hang around on the free account David so I can bag you and goo and gaa over the next litter of puppies, get your wifes name wrong (so sorry about that Lea) compete in the cuteness photo stakes, laugh at your silly fork pics (and crates and shopping trolleys) and generally have a good giggle at your humour!
    I understand what you're doing though and good for you :-)
  • David de Groot said:
    Yep, yep... I'll be hanging around.
  • looby88 said:
    I am gloriously ignorant of anything yahoo or google have done and maybe thats better for me, I can go days without watching or listening to any news, Its a pretty cut-throat world out there, and theres lots of really nasty things going on. I'm sure theres more than we ever hear about as well. Oh well we will definitely keep in touch, you wont get rid of us that easily !! I am now making a note of your other address thingies, although I guess you could put them on your profile page so that numpties like me can find them easily...... ??
  • David de Groot said:
    There sure is Helen. But I feel at least with this one I can make a stand financially, even if just a minuscule effort on the global scale. I'll still be around here as much as ever, it's just only my most recent 200 photos here will be available. Everything though will be available over on the home server.
    And yeah, I'll update the profile page :)
  • maasha said:
    Boycot Google! Your traffic on Google's search engine is what provides Google's revenue - without traffic they cannot index information - they cannot compile user profiles - they cannot sell their adds!
  • anielngl said:
    I`m with you, that`s a clever, It would be good all pro accounts do the same! :)
  • -spam- said:
    Interesting, the 4th was a couple of days ago but you still have more than 3 sets showing. Have they changed something since i moved to a pro account?

    I dont know what im going to do when the pro account expires. Ill probably end up biting the bullet and moving to smugmug like i have wanted to do for ages and ages. But i guess i have 9 months to decide. I do feel a bit guilty about not being on ipernity too much these days. I guess it might be because it is a bit slow and we are still waiting for groups...
  • David de Groot said:
    Yeah Sam, I noticed that too, however, the older photos in those sets don't appear.

    Other bits of interest are that if you've posted a photo to a group, or in a comment, you can still get to the original photo page, just not via the stream.
  • benefit of hindsight said:
    as long as you post your good ones here as well as on ipernity I don't mind :-)
  • David de Groot said:
    Shouldn't be a problem David :)
  • leadegroot said:
    (a very late comment)
    and... I've now archived Dave's photos off Flickr at: (a work in progress)